Ep. 48: Patient Interview - Pennsylvania Dawn: Four Years Later

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This is Beyond the Arches, where full-arch dentistry meets real talk. Let's get into it. Hello, welcome to Beyond the Arches. I'm your host, Dr. Daniel Noorthoek, and I am joined today by our lovely patient, Dawn. Hello, welcome. Hello, how are you? And of course, we have Erica with us. Hello. Welcome back, Erica. And today is one of those fun episodes where we get to talk to a patient and get to know you and just talk about anything related to you.

So, we'll get started. How long have you had your hybrid? How long have you had your teeth? Four years. Four years. That's a good amount of time. So, you've gotten pretty well used to them, and you're eating whatever you want to eat. Oh, yes. Enjoying them. At this point, do you even remember what that experience was like, being that it was four years ago? Yeah, because my daughter and I did it together, like a mommy-daughter makeover. I remember.

I remember. You waited for four years. You waited for one another, actually. Yes, we did. And we did around 4th of July. I do not remember. Did you go first or did Alex? Alex. Alex started, but then I went in, too. The same day. Yes. Yeah, I remember. ▶Yes. I was nervous because I originally wanted anesthesia. I wanted to be knocked out. And Alex was like, it's okay. The medication, I can't believe how well the medication worked. I mean, Alex, we had a hard time getting her into the car.

She was so odd. Who drove for you guys? Uber. Uber. Oh, boy. Wow. We don't really like to allow that at all. No. No. Well, it was all right. Especially two sedated people. It is what it is. But I'll tell you, the local medication you gave us, I mean, it's by mouth, oral. And if it didn't work, you did have backup, you know, a couple extra pills in case. ▶But they worked. One thing I would recommend for any patient is bring your headphones and whatever music you like on your phone. And I listened to an album.

Yeah. Wow. That's great. Do you remember what you listened to? Heart. Heart. Heart Brigade. Okay. There you go. The whole thing. But I don't remember a lot. I don't. Good. That's awesome. I remember you occasionally. Don, can you open your mouth? Don, do this. That's my number one memory that comes out, for sure, is always, you know, the open, open. Yes. But not much else. Yeah. We're not here to put people through anything. No. It was the worst part, again, for me, is the shots.

Yeah. Who doesn't like, I mean, I don't like shots. I don't think anyone else does. No. So, let's talk beyond the actual surgery itself and the pain. Okay. That's, you know, we talk about that a good amount. But let's talk about the selection process. For you, is that a fun process or frustrating? Did you go through very many sets of teeth for prototyping? No. I think I only did two. And I liked them. I don't remember. But I think you did, too.

She was quick, actually. Yeah. I think I did, too. Was it a fun process for you? Or was it just kind of just going through the motions? ▶Oh, when they put the teeth in, I bawled my eyes out. I cried. I'm like, oh, my God, I have teeth again. And they're nice. Because I came with a lot of teeth that had to be removed. And there wasn't much to them anyway. And just, I cried. I'm like, oh, my God, it was just so white and so nice. And it just all looked good. And I think it was just two sets. I was good.

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That's awesome. And I've had the same ones for four years. Just one adjustment. Yeah. We've never had any problems with any implants or anything. No. Mine took right away. It's awesome. Alex had a little issue, but... Yeah. We'll get into that. Yeah. But mine were pretty good. That's awesome. And tell us, like, you know, obviously, like, the reason why you do this is... For many people, it can be for different reasons. So somebody might be because we had that one higher power, like, higher level, you know, executive lady who did it for more, like, professional reasons.

Yes. And there's plenty of them. There's plenty of people out there that do it that way. There's others that do it for enjoyment of life, self-confidence. What was your main motivation? What was the reason that you really went in and went for it? It was getting to the point I was getting infections all the time, and my face would swell up. I was just miserable and unhappy, you know? I mean, it does mean a lot to look good or feel good about yourself when you don't.

Yeah. I mean, that week, we were all black and blue, you know, just from the teeth being pulled. We've been shopping. I don't care. I'm going to show the smile off, you know? So we went shopping, but it just was too many infections. I just couldn't... It was just too much. It's like, whatever it takes, let's get it done. At a certain point, did you decide that you weren't going to fight it and just live through it until you found an answer? Or what was the...

Yeah, that was it for me. Yeah. Because Alex works for different... You know, she worked for a company, and they had a company. They had a company contest, and you were the surgeon. Mm-hmm. And I love talking to Alex about her job, too, you know, like here at Dun & One, and she's just happy and confident. Yeah. But it got to that point. It was like, there's no turning around. I have to do something. At some point, you were sort of defeated, though.

Actually, because of the infections, I was this close to getting dentures. Mm-hmm. I actually had the denture made. I paid $1,500 for it. And then the opportunity... And then the opportunity came for me and Alex to come down and do this together. And it's like, here's a 15. I'll pay you. I don't want... I don't think I could ever live with dentures. That's the worst part of this process, is when you have to come here and get cleaned, and they take your teeth out, and you're like, oh, my God. It's so horrible. It's like, yeah, don't look at me. It's horrible.

Yeah. And I don't know how people with dentures do it, because taking them out and putting... Mm-hmm. And I watched my sister ended up getting dentures. And it's just... It's messy. It's a big struggle. She's got to use all this paste and clean it, and I'm so grateful. Like, my best friend is Waterpik. With that, you can get anything out. Nothing gets stuck. We always ask people when they talk about the Waterpik, what is your go-to Waterpik? Do you have the one in the shower? Do you have the one that's on the...

Just a handheld one on the side. Yeah. I think it's a Philips, but I love it. And it takes different heads. But... I just use that. And, you know, I brush my teeth still and everything, too, because they're teeth. Right. You know, things get stuck. Right. Absolutely. Was that a big adjustment for you? Was the getting used to cleaning them and... No. ▶No? No. It was delightful, because it wasn't painful. You know, it really hurt to brush my teeth prior, you know?

Mm-hmm. So, it was... Now, it comes naturally, because they are your teeth. You're one with the teeth. They're not, like, dead. They're not dentures. Mm-hmm. I don't think anybody ever accepts them and wants to be in them. Mm-hmm. Absolutely. Yeah. Do you feel like you have that sensation that they are your teeth? Yes. Even though a little bit different, you get sort of feedback and you feel very much like they're your own. Oh, they're mine. I mean, I have one nasty habit of biting my skin around my nails. I can still do that, unfortunately.

But everything's... It is. It's natural. It's... It's awesome. Tell us. Let's go... Well, actually... Actually, while we're on the dental topic, Erica, do you have any questions that we left off? ▶I just want to say, like, how long have you had these teeth for? Because I think we actually didn't cover that. How many years have you been in this prosthesis? Four years. Four years. Sorry. Okay. I don't know if I missed that, but... Four years. That's hard to believe.

Four long years. Yeah, it is. It really is hard to believe. Four years ago. Amazing. When we did your case, you and Alex brought me a goodie basket or whatnot. And one thing that was in there was a nice bottle of wine. Yes. And so what I do is I mark somebody that gave it to them. I usually will write in a Sharpie, you know, the name and the approximate date. And then I'll put it in a shelf. And whenever... The reason why I do that is, like, whenever we do drink it, it's, you know, I remember that time and that gift and that whatever.

And so yours is actually one of the ones that I kind of purposely avoid... Oh, really? ...every single time. Because I don't want it to disappear. But I still have that from that day. Oh, wow. I remember it like it was yesterday. That's awesome. And actually, truly, you were... I'd always kind of thought about wanting to do that. But when you guys brought that in, for whatever reason, I started doing it. And I do it as a habit all the time.

Whenever somebody gives me a bottle of wine, I write down who gave it to me and kind of when it was on the bottle. And then that way, when I drink it, I remember the time and the occasion and the reason for the celebration. Yeah. Someday, I'll be thinking of you with a bottle of wine, but I haven't... It'd be like losing a piece of me at this point. That's cool. I've never heard anybody do that before, but that's a good idea. I like it.

It only becomes difficult when... Like, the one that you gave me is a very white label. Yeah. So marking it in a Sharpie was very easy because I could just write on it. It's very difficult when it's on a dark bottle and a dark label because you would think just use, like, the gold Sharpies.

▶Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They don't mark the label, right? Those are tough. I almost, like, need to put a piece of masking tape or something on it. Over it so you can write on it. Yeah.

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So, speaking of eating and drinking, tell us about your favorite foods. Do you remember the meal that you had after you were cleared from the 90-day soft diet? Do you have favorite foods that you enjoy now that you couldn't before? Tell us about the whole eating experience. Oh, I love steak. One thing that's odd is ice cream. Because it was so sensitive prior to surgery, I really couldn't eat ice cream. And I really enjoy that. I know it's soft and everything, but the coldness.

But, yeah, me and my son just went out for his birthday on your birthday, too. Yeah. Her son and I share the same exact birthday. Yep. And I took him out for steak and lobster. So, I enjoy my steak. I really, really do. I mean, nothing's off for me. Like, the 90 days, you could find so much food, though. That's soft, that you don't really have to chew. So, it really wasn't that hard. But then when you could eat, eat.

And one process I love, too, is like, I was, I still even read stories of people that are getting this done. And they have to go for like six months or something. And I think they have to wear dentures. It depends on the process and the person pulling the strings. I was grateful we could have our teeth right away. Yeah. Very grateful, you know. Yeah, absolutely. Every system has a version of it that works really well. And every person that does the version that they do believes in it to a certain extent.

And so, that's where you get the high variety of, I have a very high confidence in the way that we do ours and the way that we treat our cases. So, that's the way that we do them. And if something starts to feel like it's failing or failing, meaning like not going as well as I would want it to, we try to figure out a different way. And so, there's a lot of different versions where people don't feel the confidence with putting pressure on it.

And that's not to say that that dentist is wrong in that decision. It's just them making the decision for their patient base with their comfort and their experiences that that's what it is. And, you know, as a consumer, it's hard to filter all of that out because it seems like everyone's saying something different. Yes. And they're really just telling you what their interpretation is and their confidence is of whatever. Whatever the topic may be, which is kind of a fascinating, weird thing, you know.

Of course, if you ask 10 different people something like… Yes, it's not going to happen often. Yeah, if you ask 10 different people their favorite meal, you'll probably get 10 different answers. Maybe beef on five of them and chicken on four others. But at the end of the day, it's going to be prepared different. It's going to be all sort of different. Yes. I'm just glad we went to Dunham one day. That's like 10 of the teeth right away.

Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. I mean, like I said, the only restriction was soft diet for 90 days. But like I said, there's so many foods. And I was used to eating a more soft diet prior to. Yeah. So it wasn't that hard for me. Yeah. We encourage our patients the next day, the following day after surgery, when you get your first set of temporary teeth, go out, go have breakfast, try it out a little bit, a soft diet, obviously.

That way you can also provide us with some feedback on how everything is going. But it was also natural eating, too. It wasn't like, where am I? My teeth are, you know what I mean? Trying to get them together. They are your teeth. And I thought that was awesome. You know what I mean? Like, I thought there would be, you know, time to get used to them. Yeah. And it really wasn't. Yeah. It really wasn't. It's your own teeth.

Have you ever had any struggles with eating anything? I've heard a little bit of feedback regarding patients. Like, the first time they bite into a chicken wing, they're not really sure where that bone is. Or if they eat any, like, fish that has bones in it. You kind of struggle a little bit more than you normally would to feel where that bone is so you can take it out. No, I've never had that issue. That's awesome. I don't eat fillets of fish.

Only the good stuff. Lobster and crab, you know. You know, for the most part, no, I haven't had that issue. Very nice. I mean, that's cool. That ties into just everybody's different. Everybody is so different. It's crazy. I would think you would feel that with your tongue, even. Like, a bone or something. Yeah. I mean, some people. Some people develop an instant feel for it and feeling like it's their own teeth. Yes. And some people take a year and some people never feel it.

It's pretty crazy. It's all over the board. Yeah. There's certainly an amount of time where it then becomes pretty much. ▶I would say by a year, virtually everyone has a feeling for where things are and feeling like it's their own teeth. Not just where things are, but, like, also besides the mechanical, like, it's a biological part of their. Mouth. I would say most people at a year. Where do you think that stems from? Do you think that's, like, a mental disconnect?

Do you think it's just, like, an adjustment over time? So, this is not a scientific thing, and I'm sure there's a scientific answer. But my thought process on it is, what's happening is your body's nerve signals could be sort of, part of it could be a little bit boiled down to, you have pressure sensors, and then you have different fibers that. React to pain and other stimuli, right? So, inside the tooth, you've got your pain going back and forth.

That's the majority of people's problems, et cetera. When those teeth are gone, obviously, that's not there. And so, you lose a lot of your cold and hot sensitivity from the. Yes. We'll call it pain reaction. But you have, still have those sensors. You're not going to have those pain and cold feelings from the inside of the bone. Yes. There isn't a lot of nerve endings inside of the bone. But there is pressure sensors of sorts. So, I think that, for some people, it takes a little bit longer for those to kind of grow and feel the pressure.

But once they sort of grow and feel that pressure, they're getting that feedback like they're their own teeth, just like you and I might bite into something hard and feel that pressure. I think that you, a patient with a hybrid, will eventually feel that because of that sort of feedback. I wonder if it would take. I wonder if it would take longer for somebody that is indentures that come to you and then you put the implants. I wonder if they have a hard time.

I would say that in my guess, I, again, don't know this off the top of my head, but just filtering through my experience, I would say that it's almost a complete roll of the dice on how that person's going to be in terms of the timeline of how long it takes them to feel that pressure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The full set of teeth or no teeth for 20 years. I, I really feel like it's just a dice roll of who they are and how it is.

Um, I don't think there's any way that you could really predict it. I don't know. Yeah. I haven't heard much feedback about that as far as sensation, but it's more so just like the feeling of like, oh, the roof of your mouth might feel a little bit different, but I haven't heard like pressure point. That's a good point. The biggest thing that you see with denture wearers is that they've been. Feeling with it. They, and they've had it insulated.

So ice cream doesn't have the effect that it does, but when you take that roof of the mouth out, now they're feeling it all. It's like they took off their jacket in the middle of winter. True. So, um, that takes a little while to get used to for sure with denture wearers. Yeah. I never had the denture, but I'm glad I have the roof of my mouth because you know, the taste. Yeah. Absolutely. It's a lot of, a lot of temperature sensation.

Yes. So let's move on past the boring dental. Stuff let's get to know Dawn better.

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So tell us where you are born and raised to give us a sort of like the origin summary story here. Uh, I was born in Buffalo, New York, and we stayed there. We were there for the blizzard of 77. Uh, we stayed there for quite a few years and then I was probably like eight and we moved to Texas. Oh, wow. That's a big change. It's no huge change. Really? My poor mom would even try to spray.

Fake snow on the windows, but so we were there for about three or four years. Then we moved to Pennsylvania and I've been in Pennsylvania ever since just different cities, uh, mountaintop. I live in Dallas now. My husband and I built a home there. Wait, you, you live in Dallas, Pennsylvania after moving from Texas as a child. Yes. That's awesome. I mean, we're all over. We're, and nobody was in the military. We didn't have to move for that, but it was definitely a change.

Yeah. What were the moves stemmed from? Was it your father's job? Was it your mother's job? We were looking for nicer weather and, and then I, my mom couldn't handle the snakes and I, cause there's big things down south. Yeah, there are for sure. They always say, uh, everything's bigger in Texas. No doubt. Did you, um, was the move to Pennsylvania? Like family ties at all, or it was just fresh. My grandmother wasn't feeling well and she still was in Buffalo.

So we moved here. My dad had a job here and, uh, at this way we could go and see her, take care of her. She can come with us. So we've wanted to be close, but not too close. It was like six hours away. Yeah. That's not very close. Well, closer than Texas. And, um, do you love living in Pennsylvania? You've now been there for. Yeah. Oh, forever. No, I don't like it. I'm ready for Florida. Yeah.

I'm done with the snow. Well, now you get to see us every year. I know. You kind of make it into a family trip too. So that's nice. Yes, we do. Yeah. You guys had quite a harsh winter this year, right? Yes, we did. And I mean, the weather, it could be now it's, it's warmer there yesterday than it was here. Oh, wow. But when we get back, it's probably going to be 30 degrees. Oh, wow. All over the board.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Four seasons in one little time frame, you know? Wow. I, it's nice. The mountains are really nice up there, you know, cause like down here so flat, we have a bunch of mountains and there's lots to do. I just, I'm tired of the cold weather. It's very pretty in the fall if you're driving along the road for sure. Oh, yeah. ▶I've been to Pennsylvania a couple of times, but that's one thing that's always stood out in my head is how beautiful it is in the fall.

Yeah. Because of the mountains, you get all this color as a backdrop, you know? Yeah. Nice. It's very stunning. Yeah, it is. But not stunning enough that it overcomes the snow, I understand. No. A sun makes a fortune doing a snow flower removal. Yeah, snow plowing, yeah. You know, but. It's always fun. Yes. So tell us about career or kids or, you know, tell us about that sort of phase of your life.

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I had her with my first marriage. Uh-huh. And then I met John. What's her name? Jessica. Jessica. I'm sorry. That's okay. Jessica. And then I married John and we had Alex first and then Matthew. And it's like, that's it. I'm done. I'm done. I'm done.

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I love her. Yeah, I'm sure. And Matt's still at home. He's 25, but he's still at home. And then Alex moved to Indiana, but she comes home to visit. But that's one thing fun too. Like, we have to come here for our children. Yeah. We have to. You're required. Oh, I don't want to. I don't want to go. I'm sure that somebody's really pulling your leg. Oh, yes. With?

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No, not really. I would imagine it takes all of your effort just to do that day in, day out. It's hard because we're aging together. To lift her, I try to get the guys to do that, but that's the difficult part. And then with health issues, like I had surgery, it's like, who's going to watch her and take care of her? Because obviously I couldn't lift her. I had my hip replaced. But friends and family came together and we got through it.

But if anything ever happened to me, I don't know what would happen to her. Her birth father, he's not in the picture at all. So it's us. I was going to ask you what you do when you do get away to trips like this. My husband, well, my niece takes her part of the... ▶The week on and off. And she sleeps over there. And then I have a friend named Renee and she's coming every night to change her and put her in bed.

John has to get her... She goes to school Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday. So he has to get her off at eight and then she comes home around three o'clock. So it's taken a lot of people. No, it's a lot of... That's a full-time job, like you said. Yes. Yes. What's the biggest daily struggle? And the biggest daily joy? I love snuggling with her and she still will snuggle with me. And I love it.

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And I'm getting old, so changing her. Physical. The physical work. Yes, it's physical work. What do you get to do with her to keep her entertained and busy? And what kind of activities does she... If you clean or if you fall, she will laugh her back. Did you just fall, Mom? Okay, do it again. Oh, my goodness. We're going to be going to the beach in August, but my niece will be going with me to help. Yeah.

And I'm hoping the wagon's tires are big enough to go on the beach. I was going to ask you, do you have a van or some way to get her around? No, I carry her out to the car, put her in the car. Jeez. I have a... So you don't need to go to the gym. No. But I have a Hurley lift, but it doesn't... You'd need a big, big room, you know, because you can't even get it under the bed or anything, so it's just sitting there gritting dusty, you know?

Wow. Do a lot of her appointments and visits, I would imagine she has a pretty regular medical schedule of some sort. You mentioned therapists and stuff. Do most of them come to you guys? No. No. You've got to bring her. I've got to take her. Wow. Wow. Yeah, dentist, everything. Oh, wow. That's a lot of work. Yes. Yes. It really is. Yeah. It's a full-time job. ▶I worked on and off over the years. You know, I was a waitress for several years, but in order to work, I had a teenage girl.

She would stay with me. Mm-hmm. And she stayed with me while I worked, and she lived there rent-free. Yeah. So it worked. Wow. Kudos to you. Yeah. Yeah. What does your son Matt do? He owns his own landscaping business. Oh, okay. Yeah. Well, that would make sense with the plowing. Yeah. Yeah. That's great. Yeah. The summer, it's just him and his friend. They just started the business like a year ago. Okay. Growing up, did he like lawn work and things like that?

No, he never did it for me. He still doesn't. He still doesn't do it. Oh, wow. You're not a free client? No. Oh, boy. He's like, yeah, that'll be $100. I'm like, no, you cut the grass. You should be VIP. Come on, Mom. You know what it is? Like my husband, he's a carpenter who's the last one to get anything done. Yeah. Me. Everyone else is first. Yeah. That's why I never look for a massage therapist. You know, like you never, I'm sure that those people don't ever get massages.

Yeah. Husband and wife is a massage therapist. Like, all right, my turn. No. No. That didn't happen that. I didn't get a massage. That's awesome. Any grandkids yet? No. I don't. Well, I have grand puppies. Alex has two dogs, so. Do you have any dogs? You can't have any dogs. I do. I have a dog and I have two cats. Oh, wow. Oh, my God. You're busy. Yeah. And the dog went on a hunger strike because I left.

It's like, now she's eating now, so it's like, okay, good. Yeah. But that's all. Alex doesn't want kids, so she probably won't. And Matt's still young, so.

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Yeah. You never know. How old is Matt? I didn't catch it when. 25. Quarter of a century. To give a frame of reference, not only do we celebrate, or not only do we have the same date birthday, but we, it's for context in this. In this episode, the reason why we're talking about it so much is it was just recently, like the last couple of days, so. Yes. That's why I'm asking about it so much. We all went out to dinner and we sang.

Yeah, we all got to celebrate Dr. Dan and Matt's birthday. Yeah. I love it when people sing happy birthday. We did it actually twice. Yeah, because they brought out the donuts first and then they brought out the cake. And when we sang it the second time, they had a little gong. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Did you catch that? That was. Yes. That was incredibly painful in my ears. Oh, well, it was right by your head. I loved it.

Because he was right behind you. That was my favorite part. Yeah. Oh, well. Anything else you can think of, Erica? That's pretty much all I have on my end, except, I mean, any fun plans while you guys are here in town? You guys always tend to do some crazy stuff. Yes, we went to Animal Adventures. That's like one of Alex's favorite places, I think. And I'm going to say it wrong. Boynton? Boynton. Oh, okay. Boynton Beach. It's over there.

And then tomorrow, I think Matt and I are going to Peanut Island. Oh, I love Peanut Island. That's a fun place. Yeah. What are you going to do there? Nothing. Relax. Just relax. Relax. You know, I have a neighbor at home that she used to live here in Deerfield. Mm-hmm. And she recommended a couple things. That's a good idea. I never recommend that. I always forget about Peanut Island. Can you get to Peanut Island without a boat?

Yes. You can. Yes. Well, you can take a. A charter. Yes, a charter. But it's like a 10-minute ride. It's like you don't have to have a private boat because they have services that have it. Or you can get like a, you can rent your own kayak or canoe because it's a pretty short trip. Yes, it is. But Alex won't come. How are you getting there? The charter. The charter. Oh, cool. Yeah. We have to be there.

I think it's like 30 bucks for, is it like $30? $25, I think. $25. You're there all day. You can go. I think it runs every 15 or 20 minutes, whatever it is. You can go back whenever you want back to land. Yes. That's what I was going to ask. So it's more, I would classify it more like a ferry. Yeah. Yeah. It's just back and forth. Yes. Yes. Very cool. And you can rent snorkels and they say there's really pretty.

Very pretty. Because you're kind of in the middle of sort of civilization. Yes. But then you have this like, we'll call it an oasis, but like a little not civilization island. That just looks so pretty. And it feels so juxtaposed. Yeah. You know, it doesn't make sense. No, it's kind of bizarre. But make sure you bring food, bring water, bring all your stuff because you can't buy Yes, we are. Yeah. You'll have a great time. Oh, I think.

That's awesome. Alex loves that animal adventure place. Oh, well, Friday, we're all going to the strawberry field or something. The girls. The girls. The girls. I think it's the girls farmer's market. Yes. Oh, yeah. There's the girls and the boys, right? Correct. Yes. Oh, really? Yes. But they're different. The boys is not like the girls. Matt can call them the girls, can't he? Yeah. They're just two different names. Okay. The boys is like an actual farmer's market.

The girls is the, you can explain it, but it's kind of like a diner in the front and it's a petting zoo in the back. Yeah.

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I've never been there, but Alex seen that you could pet a cow and lay with the cows and hold a bunny. Yes. So we're going. Yes. She always been into animals. Oh, yes. Always. She was always sneaking kittens in and John be like, get rid of that kitten right now. Wow. Oh, she always loved animals. She's always had pets. I could imagine her doing that. Yeah. She was talking about. I think that, what are they? The mini hairy cows that the girls have right now.

Yes. I don't know if that's a seasonal thing, but they're like mini cows. Interesting. I could see her laying there for more than 10 minutes with the cow. I definitely can. Unbelievable. Wow. Well, Dawn, we've had a good time getting to know you through the years and we've appreciated you and always enjoy you coming in the door with being our patient and seeing you regularly. So we appreciate you taking the time to. Have a conversation with us and.

Yes. Thank you. Look forward to many more. Yes. Thanks, Dawn. And for everybody else, subscribe, like, ask us questions and we'll see you next time. Yes. Thank you.